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  Ladies and gentlemen, It gives us great pleasure to reintroduce you to graphic designer, author, user group pundit, web mentor, and all-round publishing/computer celebrity...
Robin Williams

Robin: Aw, shucks :::looking down, scuffling feet, peeking out from under big hat:::

UGNN: Robin, first let me thank you for visiting with us today, and also, let me say how much we're looking forward to seeing and visiting with you at this year's UG Academy Awards!

Robin: I'm looking forward to it, Fred... I have the perfect hat!

UGNN: Robin, you're an officer and activist in the user group community. Your group, the Santa Fe MUG won the 1996 BEST Web Site Award for user groups. What's your favorite involvement with the user group community?

Robin: I lead a beginners' group in my MUG, and I do workshops as fundraisers for user groups around the country that ask me to, workshops like web design or regular design for non-designers or font technology.
__ I love user groups. I wish I had time to write a column that would be specifically for user group newsletters--I have a couple of concepts in mind. Maybe in January, when I get all this other stuff under control. [ed: we'll see what we can do about that!]

UGNN: Do you think the user group community will continue to impact the computer industry?

Robin: The computer industry would be foolish to ignore us.

UGNN: It's been five years since our last online chat, Robin -- you've been active and a lot has happened -- what's hot in your professional activities today?

Robin: Ah, what's hot in everyone's lives these days, but the World Wide Web?

I'm so excited to be alive right now, watching this happen and being involved in it in my little way. I feel it's going to be like the invention of electricity--at first they thought it was great for making light, then people started using it for all kinds of other things like washing machines and toasters. And electricity provided the potential for radio and television and many world-changing things that couldn't even be *conceived* of before electricity had been harnessed. Who knows that this Internet stuff will lead to? It's great to have been born in time to watch this develop.

UGNN: How do you see your participation in the World Wide Web?

Robin: I'm a teacher. That's what I am supposed to do in my life, much as I fought against it--I really wanted to be a wild animal veterinarian in Africa. I'm a good bridge between technology and people, and this incredible technology really needs a few bridges. So I see my participation mainly in helping other people get comfortable with it.

UGNN: A lot of people ask me about this, and we're all dying to know... Your book >photos always show you wearing a hat! Is that intentional, or accidental?

Robin: Oh, I do love hats. It's the one thing I spend any amount of money on. Many people say, "Well, I'd love to wear hats, but I don't have anyplace to wear them." I say, "Wear them to the grocery store!" I have one hat that is so large I can barely fit through doorways with it on. Unfortunately, it's difficult to travel with hats so I only take crushables with me, which limits my selection. And of course there's the problem of hat-head--once I put it on I can't take it off. At a Seybold conference years ago I was wearing a red turban at a party. Daniel Will-Harris danced onto the dance floor and said, "When I grab hold of you, stiffen up." Before I could say What he grabbed me, I stiffened, and he turned me completely upside-down on the dance floor! My hat, of course, fell off and there I was in the middle of the dance floor with the entire party staring at us and clapping and me with serious hat-head. isn't that a stupid thing to worry about? It was too funny.

UGNN: Where do you think the "personal pages" thing will go?

Robin: All over the place--what a fun thing! In the category of "personal pages" I would include kids at school making pages for themselves or their schools, family web sites, class reunion sites, personal fetish sites, high school rock band sites, sites where you can publish your own writing or philosophy or theories or hobbies, etc. etc. etc.
__ The biggest problem with it is that it's so much fun to make web sites and as you build it you think of more and more things you want to put on it, so it becomes a never-ending process and you stop cooking dinner or feeding the dogs.

UGNN: In terms of high-bracket web design, what initial visual clues do you get when arriving on a new (as yet undiscovered) web page that tells you "this is going to be good!"?

Robin: Clean, clear communication. Uncluttered. Not a bunch of fancy stuff that is obviously the programmer's/designer's ego on stage.
__ I shouldn't have to figure out how to navigate, nor what the site is about. I shouldn't have to wait for all the frufru stuff to load. I have the most respect for designers who understand the medium and utilize it, rather than try to make it do things it's not quite ready for.
__ There is the same problem in print, where many high-end designers get so full of their own artsy-fartsy solutions they forget that the point is to sell the dogfood. (I'm referring to this award-winning design about 15 years ago--it was for a dogfood package. It was gorgeous--sleek, rich maroon colors, minimal, and it won lots of design awards. But no one bought the dogfood because it didn't look like dogfood.)
__ Don't ever forget the purpose of the communication you are creating. K-Mart spends a lot of money to make their stores look cheesy. The stores don't look the way they do because the owners of K-Mart can't figure out how to make them look like Saks--they don't want them to look like Saks. Design for your market, not for you, and don't forget that your entire market on the web is using a browser.

UGNN: What features do you dislike most about web pages these days?

Robin: Don't make me scroll sideways.
__ I set my browser window [on my 20-inch monitor] at 640 x 460 (which allows about 20 pixels for the menu bar) and I leave it there. If I have to scroll sideways, I'm instantly crabby about the web site. I want one-size surfing. Don't ever tell me to set my browser window at a certain width, to change my font default, or to change my monitor resolution. And don't make me wait too long.
__ The most intelligently designed pages accept the current limitations of the web and work within them. A good designer can always manage to create a dynamic page within limitations.

UGNN: Any favorite WEB haunts you'd like to share?

Robin: Oh, I'm always poking around the search engines to see the new developments they're constantly making so I can tell people about them. I write a column in the local paper about what Santa Feans are doing on the Internet, so I spend several hours a week on New Mexican sites. There's quite a lot happening here. I recently discovered The Mining Company (a different sort of search engine, http://www.miningco.com) and have been enjoying that greatly. I wander around and see how people are designing things, good and bad. But there aren't too many sites I return to over and over again (except the ones about the Shakespeare authorship question).

UGNN: What's up with ROBIN? New books? Speaking engagements?

Robin: Always a new book! The Non-Designer's Web Book just came out and I think it's the best book I've ever done. John Tollett, who illustrated A Blip in the continuum, wrote it with me. He's a professional web developer (http://www.westpecos.com) with 30 years' of design and illustration experience, and he added so much to the book. He's the reason it's the best. I love the book--it's the book I wish I had when I first started working with web stuff. Everyone should read that book first, and then read every book by Lynda Weinman.
__ My speaking schedule is posted on my web site, http://www.ratz.com/robin/schedule.html. I'm hoping not to travel so much next year--at least not to cities for speaking engagements. I'd like to spend a month on the beach in Greece with a PowerBook and retsina.

And of course, Beyond The Little Mac Book came out a few months ago--it's an intermediate user's version of The Little Mac Book, written by Steve Broback and produced by me. And right now I'm working on updating The Little Mac Book to OS8 in time for Macworld in January. I have to update the font book and Jargon, the computer dictionary.
__ And I'm editing and producing a couple of other books that other people are writing, books that I think are needed but that I don't feel qualified to write.

WD&R: Robin, in closing, what most important tidbit of advice can you pass along to our readers today?

Robin:
You can't let the seeds stop you from enjoying the watermelon. And your attitude is your life. ;)

We want to thank Robin Williams very much for visiting with us today! Sis very busy, but we think you'll enjoy Robin on the web very much! Visit her soon, and tell her you read her interview in the User Group Network!

See: Robin at the 1997 UG Academy Awards!
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URLs Mentioned:
* Robin's Speaking Schedult: My speaking schedule is posted on my web site, http://www.ratz.com/robin/schedule.html
* John Tollett's http://www.westpecos.com,
* The Mining Company, http://www.miningco.com



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